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Old 4th Dec 2002, 03:34   #1
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Survivor of the Buffy/Angel Arcs: Rounds 1/2

New Survivor game, doing story arcs this time. However, I decided I did not want to include the "big bad" arc from each year. Mainly because I thought it would be more interesting that way. Those are obviously the predominant arcs in almost every season, and I was worried that a lot of them would easily end up making it to the end of the game. And there's one in particular that I was worried was pretty much a lock to win the game (take a wild guess ). So instead, I'm doing other (usually smaller) arcs from each year. Some of them are really only a few eps, some last a little longer, but I'd consider all of them "arcs" from their season.

Ok, so enough babbling. Here are the 21 I'm including in the game (with the season it's from in parentheses):

1. Blossoming of the Buffy/Angel relationship (S2)

2. Blossoming of the Willow/Oz relationship (S2)

3. Jenny/Giles relationship ups and downs (S2)

4. Cordy goes from Scooby enemy to Scooby member (S2)

5. Faith's descent into evil(S3)

6. Willow/Xander/Oz/Cordelia situation (S3)

7. Buffy/Angel on again-off again romantic saga (S3)

8. Blossoming of Willow/Tara relationship (S4)

9. Spike gets chip, becomes semi-friendly with Scoobies. (S4)

10. Drifting apart of the Scooby Gang. (S4)

11. Riley's downward spiral and departure (S5)

12. Spike's Buffy love/integration into Scooby Gang (S5)

13. Joyce's illness and death (S5)

14. Buffy's struggle with being alive again (S6)

15. Xander/Anya engagement, wedding, and breakup (S6)

16. Buffy/Spike relationship (S6)

17. Angel's descent into darkness (AS2)

18. Cordy, Wes, and Gunn striking out on their own (AS2)

19. Cordy's vision issues/becoming demon/ascending to a "higher being" (AS3)

20. Angel having a kid/dealing with his loss and return (AS3)

21. Wes's alienation from the gang. (AS3)

Ok, I have a few comments before I finish up, but after writing them all down, I realized they take up a lot of space, so I'm gonna put them in a separate post right after this one.
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Ok, four things I wanted to say. First, as you can see, over a third of them are relationships. Mainly cuz that tends to be the consistent main arc-y type thing Buffy does, in my opinion besides the big bads. Especially in the first few seasons. I had trouble thinking of many arcs that weren't big bad or relationship arcs in the first 3 seasons or so.

Second, you may notice that there's none for S1 of Angel or Buffy. That's because I don't really consider either first season to really have any besides the big bads. For Buffy it was mostly standalones or Master stuff. The only other continuing threads are really Willow pining after Xander and Xander pining after Buffy. Well, and there's the recurring theme of balancing Slayer life with teenage life, but I consider it just that, a theme, not an arc. And with Angel, it was again mostly a lot of standalones and W&H stuff. I guess you could call the Doyle/Cordy flirtation a mini-arc, but I didn't think it warranted being included.

Third, there was one arc I debated leaving in there. That would be #4, Faith's descent into evil. Mainly cuz I was worried that this treaded to close to "Big Bad arc" territory. But in my mind, Faith's not the big bad, the Mayor is, though she certainly helps. And really, the arc is more about what happens to her, how she becomes what she is at the end of S3. That's why I included it, whereas I didn't include something like Spike and Dru in S2, who kind of play the same second fiddle to Angelus that Faith does to the Mayor. Spike and Dru were still just about destroying the world (mostly) and wreaking havoc, whereas Faith's arc was more on an emotional level of going from Slayer to villain. That's why I made the distinction, in case anyone was curious. (Although, I'm also worried that the Faith arc will now be the obvious choice to win, but oh well, it deserves to be included. )

Fourth, finally, and most important, I wanted input during the first round if you think I've missed any major major arcs that warranted being included. I can't think of any that really belong that I didn't include. I mean, I put 21 in there which is way more than I usually include in a Survivor, because I had so much trouble excluding anything. But if you have one you think belongs, let me know this round, and I might consider adding it in Round 2. But after Round 1 is over, the list is set.

Ok, I'm finally done. Round 1 has begun. May the voting commence!
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20. Angel having a kid/dealing with his loss and return (AS3)
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19. Cordy's vision issues/becoming demon/ascending to a "higher being" (AS3)
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We are voting for removal correct?

12. Spike's Buffy love/integration into Scooby Gang (S5)

Doyle went from schmuck to hero but that was pretty much one episode. As was learning he at one time was a school teacher which means he whent from normal guy to schmuck.
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20: Angel-Kid-Connor-crap

We are voting for removal, arenīt we???


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19. Cordy's vision issues/becoming demon/ascending to a "higher being" (AS3)...get off the island. Now.
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Just to clarify, yes, we are voting for removal off the list, until we get down to the final 2.
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So many bad arcs, only one vote....


19. Cordy's vision issues/becoming demon/ascending to a "higher being" (AS3) for now.

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The votes have been tallied, the results are in:

Faith's descent into evil 1 vote

Spike's Buffy love, etc. 1 vote

Angel having a kid/dealing with his loss and return 2 votes

Cordy's vision issues/becoming demon/ascending to a "higher being" 5 votes


So, Cordy's ridiculously lame S3 arc is outta here, and the Angel/Connor saga has immunity. That leaves us with:

1. Blossoming of the Buffy/Angel relationship (S2)

2. Blossoming of the Willow/Oz relationship (S2)

3. Jenny/Giles relationship ups and downs (S2)

4. Cordy goes from Scooby enemy to Scooby member (S2)

5. Faith's descent into evil(S3)

6. Willow/Xander/Oz/Cordelia situation (S3)

7. Buffy/Angel on again-off again romantic saga (S3)

8. Blossoming of Willow/Tara relationship (S4)

9. Spike gets chip, becomes semi-friendly with Scoobies. (S4)

10. Drifting apart of the Scooby Gang. (S4)

11. Riley's downward spiral and departure (S5)

12. Spike's Buffy love/integration into Scooby Gang (S5)

13. Joyce's illness and death (S5)

14. Buffy's struggle with being alive again (S6)

15. Xander/Anya engagement, wedding, and breakup (S6)

16. Buffy/Spike relationship (S6)

17. Angel's descent into darkness (AS2)

18. Cordy, Wes, and Gunn striking out on their own (AS2)

19. Wes's alienation from the gang. (AS3)


I'm gonna go with Drifting apart of the Scooby Gang this round. Ok, Round 2 has begun. May the voting commence!
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I didn't really look at the list until now since the last round I just searched for the Cordy crap and voted. Anyway, great list BigRock! ....although I'm curious that the Buffy/Riley 'ship wasn't included or nothing from A-S1. However, now that I think about it, I'm not sure if there was really an arc to include from AS1. Perhaps the Faith crossover arc? Great idea for a game

9. Spike gets chip, becomes semi-friendly with Scoobies. (S4)...because I think this was the least believable reason to keep him on the show. I liked the reasons he was still around in S5,6, but S4 seemed a little forced.
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Again, many good choices to go, but this time I'll go with Xander/Anya S6 drivel, er wedding arc....

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10. Drifting apart of the Scooby Gang. (S4)
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Willow/Xander/Oz/Cordelia situation (S3)

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Riley's boring, slow, downright unappealing downward spiral.
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I didn't really look at the list until now since the last round I just searched for the Cordy crap and voted. Anyway, great list BigRock! ....although I'm curious that the Buffy/Riley 'ship wasn't included or nothing from A-S1. However, now that I think about it, I'm not sure if there was really an arc to include from AS1. Perhaps the Faith crossover arc? Great idea for a game


First of all, thanks for that last comment. Second, on the other stuff you mentioned, Angel S1. THat was basically my feeling, they didn't really have arcs. You could say W&H was an arc in the first season, but that's more of an overall series arc really and it's also a little too close to a big bad arc anyway. And the Faith crossover, well, 2 eps is a little too short for an arc for me. The only thing I could maybe think of for Angel S1 might be something like "Wes's integration into the group" or something, but I don't really think it was focused on that much.

As for Buffy/Riley, it was just a matter of I had to cut some stuff out, and I didn't think people would really be clamoring for that one to be in there. It was a bitch even getting it down to 21. I was trying to get to 21, but I couldn't do it.
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15. Xander/Anya engagement, wedding, and breakup (S6)

how can u be voting for Rielys arc already. When i was going down the list that was one of 4 or 5 that I really though deserved to do well!
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